Sunday, 22 April 2007

Wannabe Forums and my Terrible Hate

I hate seeing all these wannabe forums which are obvious rip-offs of others. They assimilate the original forum and then advertise themselves as being so much better. Which generally, they aren't.

As you may discover later in this blog, I am quite a regular user of Mark Overmar's Game Maker, which is a very useful tool when creating games...as you might expect. The main place to go for users of Game Maker is the GMC, or Game Maker Community. This forum provides help with programming, sounds and graphics and is altogether very useful. Sadly, it seems that many are envious of the GMC and those in charge of it. These people then decide to create forums which are exact replicas of the GMC, containing the same boards and sometimes rules. They are then all joined by the same few people who post the same games on there so that every copy-cat forum you go on contains exactly the same games. So they are all identical to each other...and the GMC.

The real problem I put to people who make these forums is "why?". There is absolutely no reason for them to create them. A recent response I received was "why not?". Can you people not understand that that response is not valid?!? It makes no sense. You cannot seriously counter a question with the same question turned around. Not as a valid argument. Never (though someone may later disprove this).

I have a absolute hate of these forums. I mean that. I don't feel like "Oh, well. It's annoying, but what can you do?" because I know that I can do something and that if I keep telling people then maybe, just maybe, they'll get the picture and stop creating the clones.

I am infuriated by two (yes, only two!) other things. The first is that other people don't notice what I am saying. Take, for example, the Lar Game Forums a particular pet peeve of mine. Let us look at their structure and compare it to the GMC's (in brackets) . First, a "News" board ("Announcements"). Then varying degrees of questions and answers (exactly like in the GMC). Next there are "Creation" ("Game Maker Creations"), "Works in Progress" ("Work in Progress"), graphics and sounds "Resources" (Same as GMC) and finally "Whatever" (if you want to talk off topic, go to a forum designed for chatting) and "Your Website" ("Web Site Announcements").

I don't mean to pick on Lar Games particularly but hey, it's convenient. They are in many ways identical to the GMC. There is no point using them. Yet, despite this, they have 617 articles. 617! Many of which are duplicated on the GMC itself.

The final point in my purge is that the owners of the forums fail to notice what they're doing wrong. To use Lar Games again, I posted a topic asking why they had created a clone. It was promptly locked. This is the case wherever I tell people off. They just tell me to piss off or say I'm jealous. Excuse me? I'm jealous? How can that compare to the fact that you have a pixel perfect replica of the GMC?

But anyway, I'm off now. It seems that there are more n00bs creating forums as we speak and I'm off to explain this to them. Bye!

EDIT: See here for an explanation of the Alternative GMC, a forum for Game Maker without the cloning.

18 responses:

Anonymous said...

That was awesome. And when I say awesome i mean awesome!

Phil said...

At last, someone at the GMC I agree with. I think I will have to mention this post on gamemakerblog.com

Grego said...

Phil, I would be honoured if you did. If so please link to that direct post and not the blog as a whole as other topics are irrelevent to this topic.

Anonymous said...

I agree, kupo.

Hockeyflyers said...

Lol, go here: http://www.loganoth.com/gamemaker/

Grego said...

Ha! Is this for real?

Dennis said...

I agree with some of what you said grego. Your hate on the other hand is quite astonishing. Why would you hate something that is so inconsequential? Does it really matter if they copycat a forum or not? I ask you seriously, are you a hate monger, or is your life that boring that you have to hate something so frivolous? You dedicated a whole topic on it and I see that some people are congruency with you. I agree with you on the point that topics shouldn't be locked or deleted just because they offer criticism. However, you are going to have a brain tumor if you don't get over your anger problem. It's just a forum. Did you ever stop and think that maybe some people are tired of the lag produced with the inefficient amount of server space? What about the topics that go unanswered because they were noobish questions and people just didn't want to answer it one more time. Don't get me wrong, I love the GMC and have been a member for almost 2 years. I also subscribe to a few copycat forums and post there as well. Your hate for copycat forums astounds me because with that type of logic you must hate Pepsi because it is a copycat soda of Coke or maybe you hate Safeway or Bashes because they are copycat grocery stores. Nike and Reebok? Fender and Ibanez? Buick grande marque or Ford crown victoria? Shwinn or Huffy? Geffen or Capital records? These are all examples, and I can name numerous amount of others, that copycat each other. The next thing you will say is that you hate capitalism, america, competition, and the things that this country stands for :Freedom. (speech being one of the freedoms you don't mind having, but hate others to have it.)

demmix said...

I half and half agree. If the forum bares only a slight resemblance to the GMC, its okay. However, what you said about LAR games is not bareing only a slight resemblance to the GMC. But it is P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C to make your own forum at the cost of:
> hackers getting into your cpu (cheap forums)
> $10
I know $10 a month isn't too bad for a small forum, if its worth it. You will get no more than 50 members on it, in which 40 will leave in a few months due to the boringness of the board. And, while the admin (most likely a n00b) will then have to pay $10+ or let people on his cpu just so he can wait around to get the same things answered as on the GMC, but in a way less professional way. Also, when some kids get Gamemaker, the immediate thing they do is start a team. Then they make a clone of the GMC. A real game forum would have a Fan Submissions board, a Game Talk board, etc.

Grego said...

@ Dennis:

Hate is a strong word, and you're right. I don't seriously hate them. I find them an irritation. But I really don't think that it would make people think about it if the topic was called "My slight irritation". I don't passionately hate them, it's more of an artistic licence.

Phil said...

I think someone stole your article
danoru.livejournal.com

Grego said...

Thanks, Phil. I've commented on his blog about it.

How did you find it, out of interest?

Phil said...

Oh I know everything

Nah, I did a technorati search for gamemaker.nl
http://technorati.com/search/gamemaker.nl
and it was the top result, its currently the second result.

It appears the author of the copycat blog has now ammended their post to include the phrase 'EDIT: Sh!t, I forgot the original writer: http://publiclife.blogspot.com/'

Anonymous said...

Even if taking it was a mistake and I didn't realize it, it was a mistake, and still is immature in my part does not mean you can freely bash me.

Anonymous said...

Also, because a blog only copied one post it does not make it a complete copy cat blog, excuse you.

Grego said...

I believe I called the post a copy-cat of the one on my blog. If not, I apologise. You're blog is very different and I have read a fair bit of it.

Thanks for amending that. You're a good guy :D

Anonymous said...

queer its what you are lay off people can make sites if they want loser

Grego said...

I'm happy for people to make justified comments, but calling me "queer", a "loser" and telling me to "lay off" is just unecessary insulting. I'd be happy for you to explain your point.

Yes, people are free to create forums. In the same way, I'm free to insult them. I'm merely advising that they create good forums, rather than carbon copies. I'm trying (evidently to no avail) to help people.

Dennis said...

It doesn't really sound as if you are trying to help people, it sounds more like you are trying despairingly to defend your narcissistic, and completely monarchical opinion. You are just like those other people (Pat Robertson, M.A.H.R., Tipper Gore, other censorship parties) that cry about something you are "irritated" about. Who cares if they are copy/cat forums? the fact, demmix mentioned that the forum will probably die anyways is correct. So I ask again, Does it really matter?

Well I guess it does to you, you wrote a blog about it.